Mobile Money Transfer pioneer, Matt Dill of Western Union Digital Ventures, interviewed by Clarion Events
Clarion Events, mmtafrica@clarionevents.com,
Tuesday, May 5, 2009 - 09:59
MMT Explained, part 11: Matt Dill of Western Union Digital Ventures defines a new generation of 'digital agents' and identifies the new transactions and new customers of MMT
"...That's the type of product evolution
that participating in a market early helps you find: we may not need to do
anything to our agent network - we might just have a transaction that we make
available to mobile partners that's 'Send Western Union,' and another product
that is 'Pick Up Western Union,' and the channel used is up to the
customer." - Matt Dill
Western
Union is a leading global money transfer company. Last year the company moved
$67 billion through its systems. Western Union focuses on moving value
primarily from developed countries into developing countries, and the Western
Union brand enjoys over 90% brand recognition globally among the world's
migrants. Other key assets are their central global system for processing
transactions and a global agent network for cash in and cash out, consisting of
379,000 locations in 200 countries - that's five times the total worldwide
locations of McDonald's, Starbucks, Citibank and Wal-Mart combined.
Western Union entered the mobile money transfer space in Q2 2008 under the
guidance of Matt Dill, Senior Vice President and Head of Western Union Digital
Ventures. Matt was kind enough to talk to us, and our 1,200+ MMT Group members,
about what he and the company have learned to date.
Within our MMT Group
and MMT Conferences, in the last 6 months we've noticed a lot more major brands
putting out RFPs and making major investments into MMT - have you seen a
similar pickup in the market at Western Union?
People were a little cautious earlier in the year, but now they're more willing
to pull the trigger on mobile money initiatives. Let's put it this way: if MMT
is a gold rush, then there are a lot of people trying to produce wagon wheels!
Thanks for taking this
interview Matt - first of all, please could you introduce us to Western Union
Digital and to your role within Western Union's MMT initiatives.
"My group's objective is to create digital agent
or digital partner structures that extend Western Union's real-world model to
new channels."
I
lead the Digital Ventures group, and we are interested in evolving what the
definition of an agent is for Western Union. In the past our agents have
typically been banks, post offices, grocery stores, and corner merchants. In
the future we see no reason why we shouldn't have online partners, mobile
partners and partners for any channel to be defined in the future. My group's
objective is to create digital agent or digital partner structures that extend
Western Union's real-world model to new channels.
In terms of
the current status of that evolution of a digital agent, Western Union is
already well under way with pilots from the UK, Hawaii, the UAE, Hong Kong and
Singapore to Globe and SMART in the Philippines, what has been customers'
response to Western Union Mobile?
When we began our mobile initiative, we decided that it was critical for us to
understand the roles represented by different players in the overall value
chain. We identified major moves by large global brands such as Orange,
Vodafone, Orascom, Telefonica et cetera, who were interested in getting into
mobile money as a category. We also identified regional hotspots occupied by
smaller mobile operators -- those that may not have as many territories in
which they were involved, but who were first movers in developing a deep
understanding of what mobile money is or could be. I'm talking about pioneers
such as Safaricom, Globe, SMART and MTN.
At Western Union, we have partnered with large organizations who have the
ability to scale these initiatives over time, but we also partner with smaller
organisations - those I referred to as mobile finance hotspots - companies who
have been able to demonstrate, interact with, and learn from the population
today.
Our early pilots established Western Union's role as one of moving money from
developed markets into developing markets, initially into our partnerships with
Globe and SMART who we think have been leaders in this space for many years. So
now an individual can put cash down on the counter at select US agent networks,
UK, UAE, Hong Kong and Singapore, and that money can appear as value in a Globe
or SMART account.
So your first pilots
were cash to mobile. Do you view these early pilots as successful?
"mobile is not a material proportion of our
business to date - we see it as interesting, we see it as incremental,"
Our
aim for 2008 was proving whether we could get this to work - can we move this
new transaction through our global network, and can we make it available to
consumers at our point of sale outside of the Philippines? And on those two
specific fronts, we have been successful.
Our focus in 2009 is to learn what drives consumer participation in
cross-border remittances in the new business models of cash-to-mobile,
mobile-to-mobile, and mobile-to-cash. We have some interesting insights on
that. In terms of adoption, mobile is not a material proportion of our business
to date - we see it as interesting, we see it as incremental, and we see it as
having very solid potential for the future, but it is not a type of a
transaction that you turn on and suddenly you've transformed what Western Union
is or what money transfer means.
We also see that consumers are somewhat cautious about this new channel. When
it comes to cross-border transactions, consumers need to understand how it
works, what the benefits are, and what types of transactions are most suited
for delivery to a mobile account, versus a cash pay out.
Would that be reflected
in the experiences you've had at those pilot locations; for example, does the
customer need a lot of education the first time they try it?
"The dominant reason someone would use a
cash-to-mobile money transfer is the convenience it offers to the
recipient."
Absolutely.
Here's a specific example; let's assume that you are a Filipino migrant in the
UAE, and that for the last 18 months you have been sending money home to your
family, either via a cash-based money transfer organisation such as Western
Union or via a bank. All of a sudden a new service is made available for you to
send money to the mobile phone of your beneficiary in the Philippines. As a
working person who currently needs to take a portion of their day to physically
go and make those transfers, the question you grapple with is: "At what
time is this new alternative mobile option right for me?" We're not exactly
sure what that trigger point will be that gets people to move from the physical
channel to the mobile channel - what we see when we move beyond the domestic
offering is a very education-heavy consumer proposition. You really have to
explain to the sender how this service works, the safety and security, the role
each of the brands play in the transaction - all of these items are necessary
to change consumer behavior. And let's not forget, for them to use this
new model there needs to be a clear benefit for the consumer as well.
The dominant reason someone would use a cash-to-mobile money transfer is the
convenience it offers to the recipient. The main driver is not fees charged to
the sender, it's not proximity to a location, or ease of use to the sender - it
comes down to what we would call a receiver-driven decision criteria. That
constitutes a transformation in the way that money transfer has been looked at
by many companies in the past -- they've often focused on sender-centric value
propositions. For cash-to-mobile transactions, receiver preference is the key
driver in a mobile money transfer context.
Does that switch to
receiver preference as the key driver in MMT promote the mobile network of the
receiver as a particularly important stakeholder?
We see a transformation opportunity. The key point for the companies that would
like to play in the cross-border MMT space is to recognise that you have to
balance the needs of the sender and the receiver - only when you've done that
effectively will you achieve the ability to grow in that marketplace. And if
you've done it once, you've still got to scale from one small corridor to 10,
20, 100 or 200. Western Union manages 15,000+ unique corridors today.
Matt, let me take you
back to what you described as the "education-heavy consumer
proposition." Within the relatively controlled environment of your pilot
locations, that may be manageable, but in the context of Western Union's
impressive agent network of 379,000 locations worldwide, what challenges does
that "education-heavy consumer proposition" pose should mobile take
off as a channel and need to be represented across an increasing number of
those locations - how are you going to manage a consistent, high-quality
customer experience?
"at what
point can you normalize MMT in the agent network?"
I
suppose what you're asking is, at what point can you normalize MMT in the agent
network? We need to ask ourselves: "When is this a product or service that
can be made available to a material portion of either the existing money
transfer and remittance community, or to a new segment of consumers?" We
are a little bit early in the process to say that we are right on the cusp of
normalization. What we can say is that by participating in these markets early
on, while they are nascent, we hope to establish the simplest process for
sending money between channels. We're confident that we will uncover the best
way to normalize MMT processes, and we'll ultimately be able to move that out
into our network. To say that we know how to do that today would be premature,
but we are actively working on it and experimenting with different models, and
we're comfortable with where we are given the state of the market.
That seems to be
consistent with the experiences reported by a lot of MMT Group members and
speakers at our conferences - it's the development of a package of agent
training materials that work, and ultimately delivering a consistent experience
with the service across a variety of locations - that's what will drive MMT to
critical mass.
"consumers in the send market required a great
deal of education about what a mobile wallet is"
I'd
like to give you an example of why participating early in a market is helpful.
We learned that consumers in the send market required a great deal of education
about what a mobile wallet is - the further you travel out in the migrant
diaspora, the less the consumers know about the mobile money services Globe and
SMART are offering back home. So we simplified how we present the service in
locations while expanding our product capabilities to experiment with a new
transaction type called a 'Western Union Mobile Pick Up.' Now, rather than go
to each of our 379,000 locations around the world and try to tell senders what
a mobile wallet is, we are instead working with our partners' customers in the
Philippines, who already know what a mobile wallet is, and giving them the
ability to 'Pick Up Western Union' on their phones. The benefit of this model
is that we don't have to change any of our network around the world. The sender
sends Western Union as they normally do, and the receiver picks up money over
their preferred channel: they can pick up cash in person at a Western Union
agent, or they can pick it up electronically using their mobile phone.
That's the type of product evolution that participating in a market early helps
you find: we may not need to do anything to our agent network - we might just
have a transaction that we make available to mobile partners that's 'Send
Western Union,' and another product that is 'Pick Up Western Union,' and the
channel used is up to the customer.
...And that supports
what you were saying earlier that recipient convenience is currently the
dominant driver for MMT - so you've developed a product that meets that demand.
Yes - so that's a good example of how I think normalization is not necessarily
about force-feeding your existing asset into a new channel; it may be about
developing a knowledge-base regarding user behavior in a new channel, and then
adjusting the product proposition appropriately. We're presently running trials
in both directions to see which one works best, and we will normalize using the
winner of our internal 'bake off.'
We see a lot of
domestic MMT services being launched, and the operators of those services are
saying the cross-border international remittances will come in phase two, but
it's complicated. So as the world leader in international remittances, could
you sum up the practical challenges of compliance and processing cross-border
settlements?
Moving money from one jurisdiction to another, for example from the UK to
Kenya, is not particularly difficult. You can comply with the requirements of
the Financial Services Authority and other regulators in the UK, you can comply
with the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK), and it is possible to create a legal
transaction. We're not in the business of attempting to make that look more
difficult than it is.
What we do want to convey as Western Union's value proposition, is that if you
are truly interested serving the full diaspora that a migrant community may
immigrate to, which could range from maybe 5 to 30 markets, then we think you
should have a solution that is simple, easily understood, and compliant with
all of those markets. With a partner like Western Union you can interact
effectively with your regulators, your domestic agents, and you can efficiently
meet the needs of your customers.
When you consider not just the technical transaction, but the operational and
regulatory responsibilities mobile money provider has to its third party
stakeholders, that's when you begin the understand the consumer benefits,
global scale, experience and operational capability of Western Union.
As you know Matt, very
few MMT services to date have commercially launched an international remittance
service - could one of these operators pick up the phone to Western Union now
with a view to adding that capability? And what does that tell us about the
readiness of the MMT market in general to start offering cross-border remittances?
Yes, an MMT operator can begin to work Western Union and plug into a global
network. That is the purpose of Western Union Digital Ventures, and that is why
we have been actively engaging with the mobile network operator community over
the last year and a half.
We provide a deployment process, which begins with education on the
responsibilities that a domestic service provider would have to meet to
participate in international remittances. There are technical, operational, and
compliance responsibilities they must meet on a local level in order to evolve
ultimately into a viable destination or origination point for international
remittances through Western Union's network.
So there's a project
plan for potential partners to become one of those 'digital agents' to which
you alluded earlier?
"This deployment plan - physical processes,
procedures and documents - has been implemented today,"
Exactly.
We look at technical and operational integration as a connectivity exercise. We
share our API for submitting or receiving transactions through Western Union's
hub, and we also share the operational relationship we require to manage
behind-the-scenes settlement - moving of actual funds - or the customer support
procedures that are required to allow a customer to investigate the status of
their transaction or to solve problems. This is important when you're moving
funds between multiple parties.
Finally, we assist with a commercial launch strategy - how services should be
brought to market and introduced to consumers. This includes the marketing (the
consumer education requirements) and the messaging that goes into introducing
an international remittance product to a domestic community or to a migrant
population that is spread out across the world.
This deployment plan - physical processes, procedures and documents - has been
implemented today, and we share that with our existing partner base, which
includes some whom we've announced publicly, and some we have not yet.
In Western Union's
recent Q1 2009 earnings call, CEO Christina Gold commented "we feel that
mobile could be the entree into us for intra in either China or India."
Could you comment on why mobile might be a particularly strong channel for
money transfer within those countries?
"We think that the success of the early mobile
money initiatives in smaller markets might be transferable to larger
markets"
When
you look at highly populous countries that have a strong intra-migration
experience - meaning people are moving from rural to urban areas - one of the
challenges in introducing new services is developing agent density and
establishing capital requirements in your agent network. We think that the
success of the early mobile money initiatives in smaller markets might be
transferable to larger markets with large-scale internal migration trends.
We believe this opportunity is available both to Western Union and other
players in the value chain. As a leading player in the remittance space, we
have the opportunity to develop service propositions in major markets - markets
that may be difficult, expensive and slow to develop -- in a way that smaller
companies or startups might not have the scale or sustainability to bring to
fruition.
Christina also made
references to pan-African strategies as being "cross-border, but they're
really almost like intra taking continents and working them through." Can
you comment on the key differences between operating domestic and cross-border
MMT, and can you comment on Western Union's mobile strategies and partnerships
in Africa, where we'll be holding our next MMT Conference on 5 & 6 May?
"Africa demands a unique perspective... to create
a strategy for growth that takes into account the real-world experience of
that population."
I'm
going to come back to this point about balancing the needs of senders and
receivers when it comes to cross-border transactions. You could confidently say
that there are more pan-African MMT initiatives than there are in any other
region of the world today.
What you have is an environment where there will soon be many competitive
offerings from mobile operators or banks or cash-based remittance providers,
and the net effect on the population will be that they will understand the
mobile channel perhaps even better than customers in Europe or North America.
So Africa demands a unique perspective and approach - we have an opportunity as
a business to create a strategy for growth that takes into account the
real-world experience of that population. In Africa, we believe that with
Western Union's agent network and presence in each of the countries, we can be
more aggressive in introducing agent-to-mobile, mobile-to-agent, and
mobile-to-mobile cross border transactions. We can make a concerted effort to
introduce mobile services as a core component of our product and brand in a way
that we might not do on a global basis.
What Christina was alluding to was that using regional strategies we may begin
the normalization process we discussed earlier in a staggered fashion. Western
Union may introduce initiatives - those that we ultimately may hope to roll out
on a global basis - first in a pan-African strategy.
Finally, both Christina
and yourself on a couple of occasions today alluded to the view that MMT will
not cannibalize your existing money transfer business, in that it's a different
transaction and different consumer. Could you elaborate a little on what you
feel are the key differences between mobile and face-to-face money transfer
customers?
"To assume that there are customers who will only
use cash or only use mobile is probably naïve."
The most
successful mobile money initiatives tend to be domestic money transfer. Western
Union is primarily an international cross-border remittance provider. So we
think the clear behavioral difference we're seeing in the MMT category is that
it is a high-touch, low value, high-frequency transaction done primarily on a
domestic basis. When you look at those attributes next to Western Union's core
service, which is low-touch, high-value, lower-frequency transactions, we see a
new and different opportunity - how the principal values align, how the fee
structures align, and how consumers use it.
So do you see MMT as
"different transactions, different customers" or "different
transactions, same customers?"
It's both. To assume that there are customers who will only use cash or only
use mobile is probably naïve. Consumers are relatively comfortable using the
most efficient channel to meet their pressing needs and objectives. To take an
example outside the mobile money space, people are quite comfortable buying
books online, but they still drive to the store to buy milk.
Western Union is not in the business of defending channels. We are committed to
serving our customers, and we will evolve through channels as necessary to meet
their needs - whatever they may be.